**by Shaykh Abu Adam al Naruiji**

(original source : http://sunnianswers.wordpress.com/2008/05/24/is-there-a-flaw-in-the-proof-for-the-existence-of-allah/)

as salam `alaykum

A
few days ago, a person posted an objection under the “The Foundations
of Religion” article. Hereunder is the response to it. I took the
liberty of changing the wording of the question a little bit so that the
question becomes clear.

wa `alaykum salam

**Ibn Mazhar**

**The author said:**Basically this says that, if an eternal amount of time has been concluded then eternity has come to an end, which, I think, is wrong.

Here’s why:

Visualize
the eternity (infinite spectrum of time) as the infinite real number
line. Now suppose we are at number 8, which represents some point in
time, say the present. There is an infinite amount of time, or numbers
in this case, prior to the number 8 (namely from minus infinity to 8).
Does it mean that the number line has come to a stop? No. There still is
an infinite amount of time or numbers in this case, in front of 8
(namely 8 to positive infinity).

**Answer:**Here is the first problem:

**The author said:**“Visualize the eternity as the infinite real number line.”

Your
proposal falls apart already here. Infinity cannot be visualized,
because visualizing it would take an infinite amount of time. Truly
visualizing it would never be achieved, which is exactly the point we
have made. You cannot reach true infinity. It is because infinity cannot
be reached that we say that the real countable events that took place
before we existed today must be a limited number.

For
example, imagine yourself riding on this line, starting at 8 and going
backwards to the beginning of that line and back. You cannot ever finish
this ride even backwards if it was infinite.

**The author said:**“Now suppose we are at number 8.”

Here
there are at least two problems: you are assuming you have reached a
number after an infinite number of events. This cannot be because they
could never have finished. You cannot finish an infinite amount of
events before reaching a particular event, be it 8 or any other number.
That is why the real events that took place before our existence must be
limited.

Another
problem with the idea is that the number line in mathematics cannot
represent time. It was not designed for that. The number line simply
means that any time a mathematician mentions a larger or smaller number
than another number; another mathematician can mention a larger or
smaller number than those. This is as long as there is life left in
them, for even this counting activity ends with the end of the
mathematicians counting. The number line does not represent time; it
does not prove anything in itself.

Here is another substantial problem with your proposition:

**The author said:**“There is an infinite amount of time prior to the number 8 (namely from minus infinity to 8).”

Remember
that we are talking about real countable events. Real events cannot be
counted as minus, because a negative number cannot represent something
existing, i.e. you cannot say that a “minus event” happened. In a subtle
way you have shown our point, because on the number line countable
events start at “1″, and cannot be negative. In other words, when you
choose the number “8″, then you are saying that only “8″ events have
taken place before we are here today. “8″ events cannot be infinite,
because “8″ is not equal to infinity. What you are saying is that “8″
real events are equal to an infinite number of real events, which is
clearly false.

**Then the author proposed that after reaching “8″ events:**“Does it mean number line has come to a stop? No. There still is an infinite amount of time or numbers in this case, in front of 8 (namely 8 to positive infinity).”

When
we say that there were a limited number of events, namely “8,” in this
case, that have taken place, then we can accept that it can continue
after that and never end as long as the Creator has willed it. We cannot
accept, however, and no rational being can, that “8″ past events are
equal to infinite past events!

**The author said:**“If there were a mathematically rigorous proof for the existence of God, none would be happier than me. But this particular proof is not one of them.”

My
response is that then you should use your mental facilities to defend
the proof, not attack it with imaginary evidences. The proof is rock
solid and has withstood the test of time.

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